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I saw this thread on the "Oklahoma Forum" message board and
thought it was interesting in that no matter how hard coaches try to put
together the best team possible, you can't please everyone. The team Randel put
together last year won the Junior Duals, took 3rd at Cadets and yet there were
people that were unhappy. Every state that competes in Duals or Fargo is
going to have some disappointed kids (and parents) so I posted this thread to
let you know that Washington is not alone! I liked
WrestlingMoms post about being on both the short
and long end of the stick.
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Fri Apr 11 23:02:47 2003 205.188.209.82
Wonder if <>
If you go to the Freestyle page you can see where Archie Randel post all the
"rules". Wonder if he will follow them himself this next season? He, with
several boys last year, had them pull to a weight they in fact did not qualify
for during all the qualifiers for the two big shows. (Enid, Fargo) This was
upsetting to the boys that did take the time to follow the "rules" and also took
the time to get down to that weight several times during the summer. Then Randel
comes in with a few hand choosen boys and allows them (and even ordered some of
them) to pull to a weight they infact NEVER qualified for when they were
supposed to. Just wondering if he will stick to the rules himself this summer?
Fri Apr 11 23:56:12 2003 68.97.4.25
observer <>
hey you have to do what you have to do to win. and mr.randal does know how to do
that.
Sat Apr 12 00:25:30 2003 68.97.162.134
Re: Mr Wonder if <>
waaaaa,waaa,waaaaaaa....prove to the right people or SHUT UP!
Sat Apr 12 05:20:15 2003 66.137.168.99
wrestling mom <Re:
Mr Wonder if >
Did your boy get bumped becuz of some boy dropping a weight? You sound like a
dad scorned to me.
Sat Apr 12 14:14:44 2003 66.119.2.82
in the know <Re:
Mr Wonder if>
Mind telling me WHO did not get to go to Fargo due to SOMEONE dropping weight
and taking that slot? Freestyle isn't school league and Archie is "The Numero
Uno Samari" and if you don't like then go compete with some whimpy state like
Texas or Kansas or Missouri. As for Enid: Archie intends to put the BEST team on
the mat and he really doesn't care if you or your wife gets mad.
Sat Apr 12 14:24:05 2003 65.64.40.33
Brad Noah <bnoahx9772@yahoo.com>
Tulsa
RE:wonder if...............funny how any kind of a negative comment about Mr.
Randall's program brings out the El Reno wrath online. Good thing it's a free
country, and that we all have freedom of speech to say what we think, or in this
case to post it. Just remember that NOBODY is perfect not even Mr. Randall as I
am sure he would have to agree. So go ahead all you El Reno posters, take your
best shots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And to Wondering if, don't take nothing
personal on this GREAT forum! They always like to come back at you like your kid
just wasn't good enough and you are just wanting to blame someone or some thing.
My question is why don't they ever give their e-mail adresses when they re: a
post??? HMMMMMMMMMMM??? They threatened me one time by encouraging everyone to
flood my e-mail box with junk, but that just shows you something about their
mentality. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Apr 12 14:55:25 2003 66.119.2.82
in the know <>
Hey, "hey"...point well taken and very true. What's your answer on the education
problem in Oklahoma? I hate to resort to another form of gambling to solve our
problems. Seems that's a temporary bandaide and not a very good one. Without
sound economic infrastructure the problem will only get worse: the welfare
dollar can only buy so many lottery tickets. I think we should tax the current
gambling halls run by the Native Americans and work on bringing in high paying
CAREERS to Oklahoma. Anybody else got an idea? As for my email or lack
thereof...I just don't want to list it. That doesn't make my points less valid.
I think Archie does an EXCELLENT job with OKUSA wrestling...and, if you don't
like it then don't do it or go to another state; he'd probably release the kid
to get rid of the parent. I haven't always liked Archie's decisions when it came
to my kid; and, the one I disliked the most my kid accepted as being the BEST
decision for the team; but, I admire Archie and what he's done for the state and
what he has helped my son ultimately achieve.
Sat Apr 12 15:31:26 2003 65.64.40.33
Brad Noah <bnoahx9772@yahoo.com>
Tulsa
No doubt about it, in my opinion Mr. Randall IS the best wrestling coach in OK
and MUST also be one of the best in the nation. But I don't have any national
experience to compare him to anyone else. I hope you El Reno faithful know that
I was just taking a playful jab at the response that was given to the "wonder
if" poster (LOLOL). Sometimes when a poster is questioning a particular event, I
think they are just frustrated with certain teams and coaches winning all the
time. Kinda like Jenks football. If I had it to do all over again with my boys,
I would have started them younger and never moved away from B.A. or if they were
good enough moved to El Reno instead of Catoosa. However the education that they
recieved in the Catoosa Schools has been good enough to get them to College and
that is way more important than their sports abilities.
Sat Apr 12 16:53:57 2003 152.163.188.33
Wonder if <>
Hey wreslting mom (mom says it all does it not?),just a few things. NO, my kid
was not the one "put out". And you dont get "put out" of a spot for Fargo.
(Shows what she knows) I do however know several boys personally that were TOLD
they needed to go down to a weight at the last second and they had never
qualified for that weight. Next, although I too think A. Randal is one of the
best coaches around and wants to put the best on the mat. BUT, nobody, no matter
how good they are, is above the rules. INCLUDING A. Randal. How can he expect
these boys to take him seriously about the "rules" when he himself does not set
a good example? If he puts the best team on the mat but does that by breaking
the rules....well, that is called cheating in some peoples eyes. I know that two
of these boys are not going to even go to Enid and may not go to Fargo unless
they can go unattached. They just dont like being lied to is all. AND yes we
need these two I am talking about. A Randal has been blessed with a large number
of boys to choose from at many weights where he can afford to be a little co-ky
and maybe tell one of them, "fine, we dont need you". But the day will come that
OK is not soo deep in each cl@ss and then what will he do? Not to mention,
Archie does not coach these OK studs in the summer. Yes he coaches his group,
but in the summer, the team is made up of boys from all over the state and these
boys are coached by their respective coaches. So, A. Randal cant take credit for
their ability nor can you give A. Randal the credit for them. Now, go wash the
dishes! Because 10 to 1 you have NEVER busted your bottom on a wrestling mat
with blood sweat and tears to find you are moved or bumped because a man in
charge just wanted it that way and broke the "rules".
Sat Apr 12 17:34:09 2003 64.12.96.75
Re: in the know <>
In the know, I don't have a whole lot of solutions other than signing new bills
and creating new taxes, but nobody wants to be taxed any more than they already
are (and I don't blame them). I do know that OK is one of the few states
remaining that has a State income tax. And I never really stopped to think where
that money goes. I have some a$$umptions, but based on the condition of some
highways, I may be wrong. I would tend to agree with you on the casinos being
taxed. There are a lot of "non"-Native Americans that have jobs or benefit from
them. You're right about the lottery, and lottery money is rarely accounted for
after a few years; ask some Texans.
Sat Apr 12 17:58:01 2003 66.137.168.114
wrestling mom <Re:
Wonder if >
Gee...I guess I got you a little peaved. To address some of your points: I took
your being upset about the boys being made to pulling down to a weight they
didn't qualify for to compete at in Enid and Fargo as being bumped....my bad. I
do know there are only so many spots per weight for Fargo. And, the Enid team is
selected. And for the record but without going into great revealing detail we've
been on the short end of the stick in Archie administering the rules as deemed
best. I didn't like it but that was just how it was. We've also been on the long
end of the stick too. And, yes, you are absolutely correct: Archie does NOT
coach each and every boy...they are split up into groups and someone else
actually coaches them. Archie is as much or more administrator than coach. And
you are right: Archie can't take credit for my son's ability any more than I can
take credit for it. I believe God gets the credit for the talent and for
providing him with the desire to work hard. But, Archie has provided an
environment in which he has been able to improve and be challenged. And, you are
correct, I have never busted my butt on a wrestling mat nor have I had sweat
running down my eyes but my son has...and he was once "bumped" but I didn't get
on here cryin' about it and I'm not cryin' about it now...it happened and we're
"over" any misgivings. Now...I must get to my dishes, plow the garden, milk the
cows and slop the hogs...see ya in Enid and Fargo!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Apr 12 18:44:12 2003 152.163.188.193
Mac Mom <>
Lawton
Wrestling Mom, From one wrestling mom to the other you go girl!!!!!!!!!
Sat Apr 12 21:24:05 2003 152.163.188.33
Archie Randall <>
USAOK
Wonder If. I don't break the rules. I do manipulate the gray areas. USA
Wrestling rules are very complicated, we try to get as many kids qualified as
possible. USAOK tries to get every wrestlers who wants to go to the nationals
the opportunity. We do want to put our best wrestlers on the mat at the right
weights at the Nationals. The object is to show the nation that Oklahoma has the
top wrestlers in the nation. Qualifying for the teams allows them the
opportunity to go. Before and at camp we have about 20-25 drops in the two
styles and divisions. We make adjustments as a staff to create better
opportunities for the athletes. Be a little more specific about me breaking the
rules. I am at every tournament I will be glad to discuss any issues you have.
Oklahoma is one of the best wrestling states in the nation. USA Oklahoma
Wrestling tries to give our athletes the best opportunity to shine. I am not the
reason that we win at Nationals. Its our kids, parents, coaches and tradition
that makes us successful.
Sat Apr 12 22:40:58 2003 68.12.35.40
sick of the griping! <>
I'd bet that none of the people criticizing Coach Randall would like to even
attempt the huge job he has organizing our National events and keeping our
Oklahoma wrestling program one of the top in the Nation! The cream of the crop
wrestlers rise to the top, and withOUT needing coaches to cheat for them. If
they are the best, they wouldn't need Coach Randall or any other coach to cheat
to get them on the National team or on the Dual Team, their performance would
speak for itself. I seriously doubt that Randall or any of the other "governing
body" of Oklahoma coaches would boot out the best wrestler for someone else, or
compromise the best situation for the team . And by the way,as far as not
qualifying at certain weights and then wrestling at those weights, just go to
your coach or to Randall and ASK them WHY little so and so was allowed to
wrestle at that weight. I'm sure they will be happy to explain the rules to
you!! Our family appreciates all the work that Coach Randall and all the other
Oklahoma coaches put into summer wrestling. We realize that they are doing it
for the kids, not for the money!! They spend numerous hours with our kids,
taking away from their time with their families and their own lives. The
committment that they show is a great example for our boys, and we should all
show them a little more appreciation and trust that they are doing what is best
for the kids. We have spent more time than I'd like to admit around summer
wrestling, and have NEVER witnessed any cheating or any actions not in the
wrestlers/teams best interest. You might want to verify the rules (there are
more than you'd imagine) before accusing a coach of wrong doing, you'd probably
be very suprised that they were acting totally within the rules, even if it
wasn't something YOU wanted them to do!
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