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One other possibility
Posted by
By the Book on 1/5/2009, 8:05 pm, in
reply to "Re:
Referee should not caution if another whistle causes a false start"
One other possibility
I didn't mention is that the Caution was not for a false start, but for an
illegal starting position. The top wrestler may have done any of the
following, which would receive a Caution (which is the same signal as a
false start):
- Didn't follow the sequence per the new rule (knees first, then palm on
belly, then palm on elbow, then pause)
- Didn't have his head over the center of the back of his opponent
- Was touching the defensive wrestler with his legs
- Didn't have a palm on the belly
- Didn't have a palm on the back of the elbow
- Didn't have a knee on the mat on the near side
- Didn't keep his foot behind the feet of the defensive wrestler (was
straddling him) |
Most of this list is
OK
Posted by
By the Book on 1/5/2009, 8:00 pm, in
reply to "Sure"
From that list, the
ones that would fall into the realm of unacceptable verbalization in our
association would be:
- Keep working, nothing yet (needless verbalization, if he earns something,
he will hear you award the points)
- Watch it with those elbows (if he's doing something illegal with the
elbows, then stop the match for unnecessary roughness and then tell the
wrestler this phrase)
- Do something with that 2 on 1 (blatant coaching)
The things that fall within the realm of acceptable verbalization:
- Let the man breathe (it's perfectly fine to talk directly to one wrestler
when a potentially dangerous hold is being applied and the referee is giving
guidance on how to avoid further risk)
- Action guys (a variation of the phrase "Action")
Items on your list that are in the gray area:
- No score yet (there is a signal for "no control" on takedowns, but
verbalizing that phrase falls within the realm of acceptable)
- This ain't a dance guys, action ("action" is sufficient, the rest is a bit
of a flourish that goes beyond what I would recommend)
So, most of the examples you offer I don't have a problem with. However, I
would share with you that the NFHS publications are very explicit in their
guidance for verbalization:
"The referee, in general, should avoid talking to wrestlers except in
awarding points, penalizing, warnings, cautions, corrections or indicating
potentially dangerous and illegal holds."
"There is to be no coaching on the part of the referee and the referee's
comments are always to be directed toward both wrestlers and not to one
individual." |
A request - can you
share some examples
Posted by
By the Book on 1/5/2009, 5:29 pm, in
reply to "On
this subject we will just have to agree to disagree"
Bill,
Maybe I can understand better if you provide a few examples of the kind of
things you are hearing the college officials saying during the match. In the
abstract, it's hard for me to know whether I would disagree with what they
are verbalizing.
I would add this other thing that I failed to mention in my previous posts -
any time an official is saying something during the wrestling match (while
action is in progress) where the subject of the sentence is one particular
wrestler, then that type of verbalizing is not aligned with the NFHS rules.
For instance, if an official says something like:
Green, make sure you....
Top man, don't forget to...
Evergreen wrestler, work for a fall...
The rules and case manual instruct officials to direct comments toward both
wrestlers. Doing that helps to avoid coaching.
Anyway, please share some examples of the types of things you hear these
other officials saying so I can understand better. |
Verbalizing
Posted by
By the Book on 1/5/2009, 8:02 am, in
reply to "Okay"
We do disagree on what
verbalization is OK and what is to be avoided. In our association, we
consider it coaching if the verbalization fits into this profile:
- It is done while action is in progress
- It is meant to guide the wrestler's actions
- It touches on strategy or tactics
- It could impact the competitive balance
- It is not expressly permitted by NFHS publications
So, I'm not sure what kind of guidance you are observing at the college
level, but they should not be coaching the competitors. Some examples of
what would be considered coaching by an official:
"Top man, use that or lose it."
"You go out of bounds one more time and it's stalling."
"Top man, take your position - knees, belly then elbow."
"Let's go bottom man, work to escape."
Again, others have said this on the forum and it's true - officials should
primarily be seen and not heard. The best officials don't need to get into
this extraneous type of verbalization because they did all of this kind of
talking to the wrestlers and coaches during the pre-meet. There are no
surprises when the competitors understand all of the official's expectations
in detail PRIOR to the match. And the pre-meet is the time when wrestlers or
coaches can ask their detailed questions.
Before the match, we have time for long discussions and Q&A. During the
match, it's time to wrestle. Officials should not be giving guidance to the
wrestlers during a match - that is coaching, no matter what level of
wrestling we are talking about. Setting proper expectations and answering
any questions in a proactive fashion is what ultimately foster the outcome
everyone wants - let the wrestlers decide the match. |
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